{"id":7187,"date":"2016-02-11T09:20:35","date_gmt":"2016-02-11T09:20:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/?p=7187"},"modified":"2016-02-11T09:20:35","modified_gmt":"2016-02-11T09:20:35","slug":"upadhesa-raththina-malai-71","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2016\/02\/upadhesa-raththina-malai-71\/","title":{"rendered":"upadhESa raththina mAlai \u2013 71"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><small>SrI:\u00a0 SrImathE SatakOpAya nama:\u00a0 SrImathE rAmAnujAya nama:\u00a0 SrImath varavaramunayE nama:<\/small><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2015\/11\/upadhesa-raththina-malai\/\">Full Series<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2016\/02\/upadhesa-raththina-malai-70\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">&lt;&lt; Previous (theeya kandham uLLadhonRai)<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>pAsuram 71<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>munnOr mozhindha muRai thappAmal kEttu<\/em><br \/>\n<em>pinnOrndhu thAm adhanaip pEsAdhE \u2013 than nenjil<\/em><br \/>\n<em>thORRinadhE solli idhu suththa upadhEsapara<\/em><br \/>\n<em>vArththadhenbar mUrkkar AvAr.<\/em>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 71<\/p>\n<h3><a href=\"http:\/\/yourlisten.com\/sarathy.thothathri\/upadhesaraththinamalai-71\">Listen<\/a><\/h3>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"width: 100%;\" src=\"\/\/yourlisten.com\/embed\/html5?17492066\" width=\"300\" height=\"150\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>Word by word meaning<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>mUrkkar AvAr \u2013 <\/em>Those of foolishness, would,<br \/>\n(instead of)<br \/>\n<em>kEttu \u2013 <\/em>hearing from the learned<br \/>\n<em>thappAmal \u2013 <\/em>without missing\/without mistake<br \/>\n<em>muRai <\/em>\u2013 in the proper ways (kramam) about<br \/>\n<em>munnOr <\/em>\u2013 what <a href=\"https:\/\/guruparamparai.wordpress.com\/2012\/08\/17\/introduction-contd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">pUrvAchAryas<\/a> (preceptors)<br \/>\n<em>mozhindha \u2013 <\/em>divined<br \/>\n<em>pin \u2013<\/em> and after that<br \/>\n<em>Orndhu \u2013 <\/em>thinking through that<br \/>\n<em>thAm adhanai pEsAdhE \u2013 <\/em>and saying that to others in the same ways (kramam),<br \/>\n(they would)<br \/>\n<em>solli \u2013 <\/em>say to others<br \/>\n<em>thORRinadhE \u2013<\/em> only what occurred<br \/>\n<em>than nenjil \u2013 <\/em>to their mind,<br \/>\n<em>enbar \u2013 <\/em>and would say:<br \/>\n<em>idhu \u2013 <\/em>what I have said<br \/>\n<em>suththa upadhEsa para vArththai \u2013 <\/em>came purely in the lineage of advice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>vyAkyAnam<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>He (<a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/mamunigal\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">maNavALa mAmunigaL<\/a>) divined in the pAsuram \u2018<em>nAththikarum<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2016\/02\/upadhesa-raththina-malai-68\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">upadhEsa raththina mAlai &#8211; 68<\/a>]\u2019, as \u2018<em>munnavarum pinnavarum mUrkkarena vittu naduch chonnavarai nALum thodar\u2019<\/em>, that whom to disassociate and associate with, and then in the two pAsurams \u2018<em>nalla maNam <\/em>[<a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2016\/02\/upadhesa-raththina-malai-69\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">upadhEsa rahthina mAlai \u2013 69<\/a>]<em>, <\/em>and <em>\u2018theeya kandham<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2016\/02\/upadhesa-raththina-malai-70\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">upadhEsa rahthina mAlai \u2013 70<\/a>]<em>\u2019<\/em> he told about what one gets when they associate themselves with the two types of people,<\/p>\n<p>and now, in this pAsuram \u2018<em>munnOr\u2019 <\/em> and by next pAsuram \u2018<em>pUruvAchAriyargaL\u2019<\/em>, he shows the differences between the advice of two types of people, and about knowing the nature of foolish ones between them, and about the gain of true nature due to ones who grow the true nature, and so completes the discussion.<\/p>\n<p>and in this pAsuram, as he said earlier \u2018<em>munnavarum pinnavarum mUrkkar ena vittu<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2016\/01\/upadhesa-raththina-malai-68\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">upadhEsa raththina mAlai \u2013 68<\/a>]\u2019, he is showing who are such foolish ones; or, thinking that we should talk about the opposite ones who are bad for the <a href=\"https:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\/2013\/03\/06\/thathva-thrayam-chith-who-am-i\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">AthmA<\/a>, he is divining a separate pAsuram for that here.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>munnOr mozhindha, <\/em><\/strong> etc. \u2013 As said in \u2018<em>munnam kuravOr mozhindha vachanangaL <\/em>[<a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2016\/01\/upadhesa-raththina-malai-54\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">upadhEsa raththinamAlai \u2013 54<\/a>]\u2019, the <a href=\"https:\/\/guruparamparai.wordpress.com\/2012\/08\/17\/introduction-contd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">AchAryas<\/a> who are earlier to us, starting from <a href=\"https:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/2012\/08\/22\/nathamunigal\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">periya mudhaliyAr, that is SrIman nAthamunigaL<\/a> \u2013 the <a href=\"https:\/\/srivaishnavagranthams.wordpress.com\/purvacharya-literature\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">SrIsUkthis they divined<\/a> for <a href=\"https:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\/2013\/03\/06\/thathva-thrayam-chith-who-am-i\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">AthmAs<\/a> to reach the true goal;<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>muRai thappAmal kEttu<\/em> \u2013 <\/strong>after hearing such words that are interested in us, in the residence of AchAryan, in the ways of guru-disciple, and in the way of sampradhAyam;<\/p>\n<p>or, <strong><em>munnOr mozhindha muRai thappAmal kEttu<\/em><\/strong> \u2013 the <a href=\"https:\/\/guruparamparai.wordpress.com\/2012\/08\/17\/introduction-contd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">preceptors<\/a> divined about matters related to <a href=\"https:\/\/guruparamparai.wordpress.com\/2012\/08\/17\/introduction-contd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">AchAryas<\/a> as said in \u2018<em>uththAra yathisamsArAnmadhupAya plavEna thu<\/em>\u2019 (he (AchAryan) uses the boat that is <a href=\"https:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\/2013\/03\/06\/thathva-thrayam-chith-who-am-i\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">AthmA<\/a> and gets us to the shore)<em>, <\/em>that Is, considering their AchAryan as the savior<em>,<\/em> and as said in \u2018<em>gurumUrthi sthithassAkshAth bhagavAn purushOththama:<\/em>\u2019 (purushOththaman is present in AchAryan) and so determined that <a href=\"https:\/\/guruparamparai.wordpress.com\/2012\/08\/17\/introduction-contd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">AchAryas<\/a> are incarnations (of <a href=\"https:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/2012\/08\/17\/divya-dhampathi\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">emperumAn<\/a>)<em>,<\/em> they advise to their disciples also the same way; not missing\/making mistake in this order;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/01\/acharyas_paramparai_gif.gif\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-7108\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-7108\" src=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/01\/acharyas_paramparai_gif.gif\" alt=\"acharyas_paramparai_gif\" width=\"410\" height=\"581\" \/><\/a><em>munnOr<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>pinnOrndhu<\/em><\/strong> \u2013 after listening to it, thinking about it thoroughly with involvement and interest,<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>thAm adhanaip pEsAdhE<\/em><\/strong> &#8211; Being ones to give advice, instead of saying to those who are interested in hearing from them about what was heard and led to clarification;<\/p>\n<p>it is saying how they are giving advice (instead);<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>than nenjil thORRinadhE solli<\/em> \u2013 <\/strong>Instead of following what is said in the true references (pramANams), saying through their speech contrary meanings that arose in their crooked minds;<\/p>\n<p>Or, not being enthusiastic in the matter AchAryan, having accepted only his help, with such dry heart, what ever occurred to it is what they say to others.<\/p>\n<p>In this way, using the dry heart they say which are of disrepute and they say with decorated words, and they don\u2019t stop with that; instead \u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>idhu suththa upadhEsa para vArththai enbA(a)r<\/em><\/strong> \u2013 They would say that this is of pure lineage of advice which is trusted. Even though what they say is not based on sampradhAyam, for creating belief in it they say as if \u2018<em>in aruLAl vandha upadhEsa mArkkaththai<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2015\/12\/upadhesa-raththina-malai-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">upadhEsa raththina mAlai \u2013 1<\/a>]\u2019, that is how they give advice.<\/p>\n<p>They create such contrary meanings for everything; their false words would show up like the weeds among plants, and like rAkshasas for the Adhithyan (sun), and will cause a lot of loss; so it would arise and die, and would not stay well &#8211; also since these are words that arose only which are being told;<\/p>\n<p>When asked who such bad ones to give advice are, he (<a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/mamunigal\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">maNavALa mAmunigaL<\/a>) says they are <strong><em>mUrkkar &#8211; <\/em><\/strong>foolish ones, who would damage by their advice. Those who don\u2019t analyze fully are of foolishness; this name is matching their nature;<\/p>\n<p>In this way, who give bad advice are fools; and fools would give such bad advice;<\/p>\n<p>In <a href=\"http:\/\/ponnadi.blogspot.in\/p\/anthimopaya-nishtai.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">anthimOpAya nishtai<\/a> my (<a href=\"https:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/2013\/04\/08\/pillai-lokam-jiyar\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">piLLai lOkam jIyar<\/a>\u2019s) AchAryan also divined \u201c<em>nam AchAryargaL thiru uLLak karuththai nanRAga aRindhu adhukkuth thagudhiyAy irundhuLLa ukthi anushtAnangaLai AsariyAmal, thangaL manassukkuth thORRinadhE sollum dhussvathanthra prakruthigaLAy svAchArya vishayaththil URRam aRRu irukkum garbba nirbhAgyarAna sushka hrudhayarkku nam dharsanaththil thAthparyArththamum thadhanurUpamAna anushtAnamum theriyAdhAgaiyAlE mElezhundha vAriyAna sivappup pOlE ivvarththam nenjil nilai nillAdhu\u2019.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>(Instead of understanding the divine opinion of our <a href=\"https:\/\/guruparamparai.wordpress.com\/2012\/08\/17\/introduction-contd\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">AchAryas<\/a> and following the ways and methods according to that, they who say what came to their mind, they being independent of bad repute, and not having enthusiasm in the matter of their AchAryan, they being unfortunate from the womb and having dry heart, they being ignorant about the inner and deeper meanings of our dharsanam and the matching conduct, that would not stand for too long).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">&#8211; 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