{"id":25882,"date":"2019-04-28T23:34:44","date_gmt":"2019-04-28T23:34:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/?p=25882"},"modified":"2019-04-28T23:34:44","modified_gmt":"2019-04-28T23:34:44","slug":"thiruvaimozhi-8-8-5-ninra-onrai","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2019\/04\/thiruvaimozhi-8-8-5-ninra-onrai\/","title":{"rendered":"thiruvAimozhi &#8211; 8.8.5 &#8211; ninRa onRai"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><small>SrI:&nbsp; SrImathE SatakOpAya nama:&nbsp; SrImathE rAmAnujAya nama:&nbsp; SrImath varavaramunayE nama:<\/small><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"thiruvAimozhi \u2013 Fourth 1000\" href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/thiruvaimozhi\/\">Full series<\/a> &gt;&gt; <a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2019\/01\/thiruvaimozhi-8th-centum\/\">Eighth Centum<\/a> &gt;&gt; <a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2019\/04\/thiruvaimozhi-8-8-kangal-sivandhu\/\">Eighth decad<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2019\/04\/thiruvaimozhi-8-8-4-yanum-thanay\/\">Previous pAsuram<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Yogi-meditating.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-2048\" src=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Yogi-meditating.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"193\" height=\"263\" srcset=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Yogi-meditating.jpg 312w, https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Yogi-meditating-220x300.jpg 220w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 193px) 100vw, 193px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h3><strong>Introduction for this pAsuram<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><strong>Highlights from <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/pillan\/\">thirukkurukaippirAn piLLAn<\/a>&#8216;s introduction<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>No specific introduction.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Highlights from <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/nanjiyar\/\">nanjIyar<\/a>&#8216;s introduction<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In the fifth pAsuram, <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/nammazhwar\/\">AzhwAr<\/a> says &#8220;This <a href=\"https:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\/2013\/03\/06\/thathva-thrayam-chith-who-am-i\/\">AthmA (self)<\/a> which I realised by <a href=\"https:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\/2013\/03\/12\/thathva-thrayam-iswara-who-is-god\/\">bhagavAn<\/a>&#8216;s prasAdham (mercy) cannot be known by anyone; even if known, it cannot be realised&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Highlights from <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/vadhi-kesari-azhagiya-manavala-jiyar\/\">vAdhi kEsari azhagiya maNavALa jIyar<\/a>&#8216;s introduction<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>See <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/nanjiyar\/\">nanjIyar<\/a>&#8216;s introduction.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Highlights from <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/periyavachchan-pillai\/\">periyavAchchAn piLLai<\/a>\u2018s introduction<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>See <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/nampillai\/\">nampiLLai<\/a>&#8216;s introduction.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Highlights from <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/nampillai\/\">nampiLLai<\/a>&#8216;s introduction as documented by <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/vadakku-thiruvidhi-pillai\/\">vadakkuth thiruvIdhip piLLai<\/a><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Fifth pAsuram. embAr mercifully explains &#8220;Previously &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\/2013\/03\/06\/thathva-thrayam-chith-who-am-i\/\">AthmA<\/a> was explained as <a href=\"https:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\/2013\/03\/12\/thathva-thrayam-iswara-who-is-god\/\">bhagavAn<\/a>&#8216;s prakAram (form\/attribute); from here onwards, just as the whiteness on a cloth will be explained separately using separate words, up to the pAsuram &#8216;<em>em pemmAnOdu<\/em>&#8216;, AthmA&#8217;s distinctive nature is explained&#8221;. mudhaliyANdAn says &#8220;AthmA is explained as prakAram of&nbsp; bhagavAn&#8221;. In the AthmA which is explained as &#8220;<em>ninRa onRai<\/em>&#8220;, it is highlighted by <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/nammazhwar\/\">AzhwAr<\/a> &#8220;this AthmA which is seen by bhagavAn&#8217;s mercy, cannot be known by anyone and even if one knows about it with great efforts, one cannot see it&#8221;.<\/p>\n<h3><strong>pAsuram<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><em>ninRa onRai uNarndhEnukku adhanuL nErmai adhu idhu enRu<\/em><br \/>\n<em>onRum oruvarkku uNaral AgAdhu uNarndhu mElum kANbaridhu<\/em><br \/>\n<em>senRu senRu param paramAy yAdhum inRith thEyndhaRRu<\/em><br \/>\n<em>nanRu thIdhenRaRivaridhAy nanRAy gyAnam kadandhadhE<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<h3><a href=\"http:\/\/yourlisten.com\/sarathy.thothathri\/thiruvaimozhi-8-8-5\">Listen<\/a><\/h3>\n<p><iframe src=\"\/\/yourlisten.com\/embed\/html5?17763638\" style=\"width:100%;\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h3><strong>Word-by-Word meanings (based on <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/vadhi-kesari-azhagiya-manavala-jiyar\/\">vAdhi kEsari azhagiya maNavALa jIyar<\/a>&#8216;s 12000 padi)<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>(Unlike achith (insentient objects) which are perishable and are in variegated forms)<br \/>\nninRa onRai &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\/2013\/03\/06\/thathva-thrayam-chith-who-am-i\/\">AthmA<\/a> which is eternal (and made of knowledge only)<br \/>\nuNarndhEnukku &#8211; for me who saw it (as he showed as his prakAra (form))<br \/>\nadhanuL &#8211; its<br \/>\nnErmai &#8211; subtle, distinguished nature<br \/>\nonRum &#8211; any<\/p>\n<p>(in any form)<br \/>\noruvarkku &#8211; even for those who are fully knowledgeable<br \/>\nadhu idhu enRu &#8211; to be in a particular manner<\/p>\n<p>(as realised or experienced as one among the same species)<br \/>\nuNaral AgAdhu &#8211; cannot be known (through SravaNam (hearing), mananam (meditation) etc);<br \/>\nuNarndhum &#8211; even if known (with great efforts)<br \/>\nmElum &#8211; even while gone upto the level of samAdhi (trance)<br \/>\nkANbu aridhu &#8211; will be difficult to see directly;<\/p>\n<p>(for me who saw him as he showed himself to me) (in body, senses, mind, vital air, knowledge)<br \/>\nparam paramAy &#8211; going further over every entity<br \/>\nsenRu senRu &#8211; passing through<br \/>\nyAdhum &#8211; with their nature (such as change)<br \/>\ninRi &#8211; without having<br \/>\nthEyndhu &#8211; being very subtle<br \/>\naRRu &#8211; eliminating (their connection)<br \/>\nnanRu thIdhu &#8211; having virtues and vices (which occur based on their desires)<br \/>\nenRu &#8211; as<br \/>\naRivu aridhu Ay &#8211; being difficult to know<br \/>\nnanRu Ay &#8211; having distinguished knowledge and bliss ( which is distinguished in all manners)<br \/>\ngyAnam &#8211; for the knowledge (which supports them)<br \/>\nkadandhadhu &#8211; beyond.<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Simple translation (based on <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/vadhi-kesari-azhagiya-manavala-jiyar\/\">vAdhi kEsari azhagiya maNavALa jIyar<\/a>&#8216;s 12000 padi)<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\/2013\/03\/06\/thathva-thrayam-chith-who-am-i\/\">AthmA<\/a> which is eternal and seen by me &#8211; its subtle, distinguished nature cannot be known&nbsp; to be in a particular manner even for those who are fully knowledgeable; even if known and pursued up to the level of samAdhi, it will be difficult to see it directly; passing through and going further over every entity (namely body, senses, mind, vital air, knowledge), without having any change, being very subtle and eliminating the connection with such entities, being difficult to know as having virtues and vices, having distinguished knowledge and bliss, the AthmA remains beyond the reach of knowledge. In this pAsuram, the distinguished nature of AthmA is explained through the philosophy of sAnkhya.<\/p>\n<h3>vyAkyAnams (commentaries)<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Highlights from <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/pillan\/\">thirukkurukaippirAn piLLAn<\/a>&#8216;s vyAkyAnam<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>See <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/vadhi-kesari-azhagiya-manavala-jiyar\/\">vAdhi kEsari azhagiya maNavALa jIyar<\/a>&#8216;s translation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Highlights from <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/nanjiyar\/\">nanjIyar<\/a>&#8216;s vyAkyAnam<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>See <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/nampillai\/\">nampiLLai<\/a>&#8216;s vyAkyAnam.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Highlights from <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/periyavachchan-pillai\/\">periyavAchchAn piLLai<\/a>\u2018s vyAkyAnam<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>See <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/nampillai\/\">nampiLLai<\/a>&#8216;s vyAkyAnam.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Highlights from <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/nampillai\/\">nampiLLai<\/a>&#8216;s vyAkyAnam as documented by <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/vadakku-thiruvidhi-pillai\/\">vadakkuth thiruvIdhip piLLai<\/a><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em>ninRa onRai<\/em> &#8211; The <a href=\"https:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\/2013\/03\/06\/thathva-thrayam-chith-who-am-i\/\">AthmA<\/a> which is different from body, senses, mind, vital air and knowledge, the one which remains alive in a singular form even when these perish, being the controller for these, and distinguished.<\/li>\n<li><em>uNarndhEnukku<\/em> &#8211; For me who analysed. Since <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\/index.php\/nammazhwar\/\">AzhwAr<\/a> is the one who immersed in emperumAn&#8217;s auspicious qualities as said in <a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2015\/03\/thiruvaimozhi-1-1-1-uyarvara-uyarnalam\/\">thiruvAimozhi 1.1.1<\/a> &#8220;<em>uyarvaRa uyarnalam<\/em>&#8221; (most superior, auspicous qualities), he did not focus on the nature of the self which appears like firefly in front of emperumAn, until now; since his tools are gyAna in the form of bhakthi, he did not have time to engage in self.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>When asked &#8220;How did you feel about it when you analysed it?&#8221; AzhwAr says,<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em>adhanuL nErmai<\/em> &#8211; It&#8217;s greatness.<\/li>\n<li><em>adhu idhu enRu<\/em> &#8211; It cannot be known as what is realised or experienced.<\/li>\n<li><em>onRum oruvarkku uNaral AgAdhu<\/em> &#8211; Even for those with great knowledge, the slightest aspect of it cannot be understood.<\/li>\n<li><em>uNarndhu mElum kANbaridhu<\/em> &#8211; As said in <a href=\"http:\/\/githa.koyil.org\/index.php\/11-54\/\">SrI bhagavath gIthA 11.54<\/a> \u201c<em>&#8230; <\/em><em>gyAthum dhrashtum cha thathvEna &#8230;<\/em>\u201d (Oh arjuna! One who roasts the enemies! Only with the assistance of bhakthi, I, like this, can be truly known, seen and attained), it cannot be known, and even if known, it cannot be seen.<\/li>\n<li><em>senRu senRu param paramAy<\/em> &#8211; Going step by step, being greater than one after the other. Being beyond the different layers such as annamaya (layer of body), prANamaya (layer of vital air) and manOmaya (layer of mind).<\/li>\n<li><em>yAdhum inRith thEndhaRRu<\/em> &#8211; Not having any of their qualities [such as change etc] and being totally disconnected from them.<\/li>\n<li><em>nanRu thIdhu enRu aRivaridhAy<\/em> &#8211; As senses are greater than body, mind is greater than senses, vital air is greater than mind and so on, it will be difficult to be comprehended as good or bad based on material conceptions.<\/li>\n<li><em>gyAnam kadandhadhE<\/em> &#8211; Will be beyond the knowledge acquired through senses. In achith (matter), though each entity is distinguished from one another, they have equality in being perceivable by physical senses; even that is not possible for <a href=\"https:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\/2013\/03\/06\/thathva-thrayam-chith-who-am-i\/\">AthmA<\/a>. Thus, in this pAsuram, the manner in which the AthmA is described in sAnkhya philosophy through entity numbering system, and the difficulty in understanding the same are explained.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>In the next article we will enjoy the next pAsuram.<\/p>\n<p>adiyen sarathy ramanuja dasan<\/p>\n<p>archived in <a href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\">https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org<\/a><\/p>\n<p>pramEyam (goal) \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/koyil.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/koyil.org<\/a><br \/>\npramANam (scriptures) \u2013 <a href=\"http:\/\/granthams.koyil.org\">http:\/\/granthams.koyil.org<\/a><br \/>\npramAthA (preceptors) \u2013 <a href=\"http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org\">http:\/\/acharyas.koyil.org<\/a><br \/>\nSrIvaishNava education\/kids portal \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/pillai.koyil.org\/\">http:\/\/pillai.koyil.org<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>SrI:&nbsp; SrImathE SatakOpAya nama:&nbsp; SrImathE rAmAnujAya nama:&nbsp; SrImath varavaramunayE nama: Full series &gt;&gt; Eighth Centum &gt;&gt; Eighth decad Previous pAsuram Introduction for this pAsuram Highlights from thirukkurukaippirAn piLLAn&#8216;s introduction No specific introduction. Highlights from nanjIyar&#8216;s introduction In the fifth pAsuram, AzhwAr says &#8220;This AthmA (self) which I realised by bhagavAn&#8216;s prasAdham (mercy) cannot be known &#8230; <a title=\"thiruvAimozhi &#8211; 8.8.5 &#8211; ninRa onRai\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/2019\/04\/thiruvaimozhi-8-8-5-ninra-onrai\/\" aria-label=\"Read more about thiruvAimozhi &#8211; 8.8.5 &#8211; ninRa onRai\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[43,52],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-25882","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-thiruvaimozhi","category-thiruvaimozhi-8th-centum"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25882","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=25882"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/25882\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=25882"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=25882"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/divyaprabandham.koyil.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=25882"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}